Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
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Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Hi folks. I looking to bid on another SJ on Ebay, Due to it not having any tax or MOT i will have to tow it back.
We have a 2002 Freelander auto TD4 in the family and was wondering if it would be ok to pull a trailer with the SJ on it?
Cheers folks
We have a 2002 Freelander auto TD4 in the family and was wondering if it would be ok to pull a trailer with the SJ on it?
Cheers folks
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Nope but the suzuki would easily do it. And yes it would just if its the one that has a caravan trailer then it would be abit sketchy
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Ye no probs
My dad has a 200tdi disco and it pulled my sj on a trailer easy sj is only like 1 ton
Plus my dads disco clutch is nearly had it
Going up hill with just me and my dad and u can feal/hear the clutch slipping
Funniest part is he bought a new clutch for it like 1 year ago but still hasn't fitted it still in its packaging![:) :)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
My dad has a 200tdi disco and it pulled my sj on a trailer easy sj is only like 1 ton
Plus my dads disco clutch is nearly had it
Going up hill with just me and my dad and u can feal/hear the clutch slipping
Funniest part is he bought a new clutch for it like 1 year ago but still hasn't fitted it still in its packaging
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Yes TD4 CAN pull a trailer and a sj413 on it easy!!! my sj goes on the back of my trailer and okay im pulling it with a v8 but you forget its on the back!
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
I've pulled an SJ on a braked trailer that weighed almost as much as the SJ, and did the pulling with a Toyota Yaris 1.4TD.
It wasn't until it started fishtailing that I really thought about how momentously stupid what I was doing really was - pulling around 1500kg with a 950kg car...
The arse of the yaris was being pulled left and right by the weight of the fishtailing trailer.
140ish ft/lb of torque - it pulled just lovely, but power isn't the main problem with towing.
The answer to your question is - yes, it'll probably pull it, but if I were you I'd weigh the trailer and if if it's more than 290kg, don't do it. An SJ is about 850kg, and you want to say under 80% of your tow vehicle's weight, so whilst your Freelander will officially pull 2000kg pulling more than 1140 is probably unsafe. More than 1425 (your kerb weight) is illegal unless your licence is *really* old (pre trailer laws) or you've passed the trailer exam, in which case you wouldn't have to ask in the first place - so I'll assume you haven't.
Also, if it's not a braked trailer, forget it. 750kg is the legal max for unbraked (trailer and contents).
And in this case, it's the plated weight that counts if the vehicle has been stripped or lightened in any way, but the weighbridge weight if it's heavier than the plated weight.
So you can't legally pull it with an A-frame either, other than as a recovery exercise to move it from somewhere unsafe to somewhere safe (i.e. you can use an A-frame to move it off a motorway into a service station car park or somewhere like that if you've broken down, but that's all).
It wasn't until it started fishtailing that I really thought about how momentously stupid what I was doing really was - pulling around 1500kg with a 950kg car...
The arse of the yaris was being pulled left and right by the weight of the fishtailing trailer.
140ish ft/lb of torque - it pulled just lovely, but power isn't the main problem with towing.
The answer to your question is - yes, it'll probably pull it, but if I were you I'd weigh the trailer and if if it's more than 290kg, don't do it. An SJ is about 850kg, and you want to say under 80% of your tow vehicle's weight, so whilst your Freelander will officially pull 2000kg pulling more than 1140 is probably unsafe. More than 1425 (your kerb weight) is illegal unless your licence is *really* old (pre trailer laws) or you've passed the trailer exam, in which case you wouldn't have to ask in the first place - so I'll assume you haven't.
Also, if it's not a braked trailer, forget it. 750kg is the legal max for unbraked (trailer and contents).
And in this case, it's the plated weight that counts if the vehicle has been stripped or lightened in any way, but the weighbridge weight if it's heavier than the plated weight.
So you can't legally pull it with an A-frame either, other than as a recovery exercise to move it from somewhere unsafe to somewhere safe (i.e. you can use an A-frame to move it off a motorway into a service station car park or somewhere like that if you've broken down, but that's all).
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Depends on towing capacity of the freelander, trailer weight and what licence the driver holds and when they passed their test.
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
This goes into a lot of detail about weights and licenses but refers to an SJ towing an SJ.
http://forum.suzukiclubuk.co.uk/vi ... wing+an+sj
http://forum.suzukiclubuk.co.uk/vi ... wing+an+sj
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
It's all ok if you passed your test before 1997
Need to take a b + e trailer test if not![:) :)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
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Need to take a b + e trailer test if not
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Even then you can only run at 3.5t maximum train weight, regardless of the towing capactity of the vehicle as of Jan 2013.mike harris wrote:It's all ok if you passed your test before 1997
Need to take a b + e trailer test if not
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Re: Could a Freelander TD4 pull a trailer plus SJ413??
Mike/Jordi - you don't need a B + E test unless you want to tow a combined trailer and tow vehicle weight of more than 3.5 tons (maximum authorised mass, or "MAM"):
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driv ... ou-can-tow
You only need a B + E if you want to tow a trailer up to 3.5 tons (total MAM of more than 3.5 tons, less than 7 tons).
Edit - all this talk of "B&E" just makes me think of burglary...
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driv ... ou-can-tow
You only need a B + E if you want to tow a trailer up to 3.5 tons (total MAM of more than 3.5 tons, less than 7 tons).
Edit - all this talk of "B&E" just makes me think of burglary...
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