thanks for the comments guys.
henry. kl71's well i had alot of missgiving's at first(still don't like the 2ply sidewalls)
on the road,same as a road tyre,no noise.
off road they just grip there is no sideslope movement,no dry they are a dard ride (bouncy)
in the sticky stuff they work amaizingly no slide just full on grip.
thease are second hand pent there life on a disco, front 10mm,rear 10-12mm
slight wear on the edjes of 2.
so in all would i recomend, hell yes
but
only if they are cheap not the £499 new price.
tony