what suspension lift to go for

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Re: Calmini Shackle Reverse

Post by ScottieJ » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:21 pm

longer shocks only make a difference if the ones you already have are limiting your articulation in any way, you need to disconnect them at one end and flex the sj up to see if they are.

I personally don't like 'flex shackles' but thats just my opinion.
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Re: Calmini Shackle Reverse

Post by xiztrn » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:07 pm

Any reason why you don't like them?

I've almost made my mind up on getting some, I think its a good way to go from what I have read :)

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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by ScottieJ » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:27 pm

Quite a few reasons really. :lol:

Where have you been reading that they are a good option? Most Forums I visit have very mixed opinions about them! at the end of the day it all depends how well they are made, how you drive and personal opinion

If they are badly made then they can have lots of 'slop' and allow the axle to move in directions that you don't really want them to on road.

In certain situations they can 'unload' I'm not saying they will do it often or all the time as some people say but it is possible on very steep descents, climbs and sidehills.

I don't feel that the added droop they give is that much of a benefit offroad, yes they have the weight of the axle and the force of the opposite side pivoting on the bump stop pushing that wheel down (a small amount) but the majority of the time the drooped wheel will still just be spinning and skimming the surface.

They can increase wheel hop and axle wrap when drooped.

I just feel that when the spring is firmly connected at both ends the suspension feels a lot more predictable, I've driven sjs with D-flex and whilst it wasn't that bad I still prefer sjs without them.
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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by twiss » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:59 pm

Sorry about the piss poor diagram... but it sort of shows what scares the crap out of me about flex shackles...

as scott says - unloading
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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by ScottieJ » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:02 pm

here is an example


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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by parrotveasey81 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:39 am

ScottieJ wrote:here is an example


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the rears on that one have not open'd up that far,the front has.
imo it would almost look like that if he just had flexy suspension without that type of shackle.

the only time the whhel that has dropped with flex shackles has little to no waight on it is when its fully open'd and its starting to lift,you try and pick the wheel up with your hands when they are only half open,i bet you cant :roll:


as with all suspension setup's there is always a compromise :thumbup:

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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by dunk » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:01 am

Herve is running yj's and a type of missing link shackle.

Personally if I was to do it all again and I wanted to stick with leaf springs I would go with yj's and a virtual body lift. Or just go straight to coils as it's a cheaper option if you have the know how. :smokin:
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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by twiss » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:23 am

Xiztrn doesn't have the ability to go coils without paying someone else to do it unfortunately!
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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by dunk » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:30 am

You should send rockwatt a pm and see how much he would charge, i bet its not as much as you think as he made a very nice job on silverzuke and if it's done by Richard atleast you know it's done right as his work is faultless.
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Re: what suspension lift to go for

Post by twiss » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:03 am

Yeah silverzuk's truck is sweet! Can't get enough of it!

I think Dan (xiztrn) has other things on his mind... such as an SU carb conversion, so he may be a while before coiling ;)
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